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	<description>wonder ye then at the fiery hunt?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Fall 2009 Talks by Chris</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/09/21/fall-2009-speaking-engagements/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very impressive. I look forward to seeing you in Philadelphia, but you&#039;re obviously not working hard enough if you haven&#039;t set up a West Coast engagement yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very impressive. I look forward to seeing you in Philadelphia, but you&#8217;re obviously not working hard enough if you haven&#8217;t set up a West Coast engagement yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Abdul</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.. Thanks for your posting. But Learning Management system is very interactive and learning easily. In future all the industry to make very interactive using learning management systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.. Thanks for your posting. But Learning Management system is very interactive and learning easily. In future all the industry to make very interactive using learning management systems.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Adjunct Advice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Against Blackboard and Friends</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Adjunct Advice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Against Blackboard and Friends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gold has an intriguing piece: Against Learning Management Systems. If you use a LMS, you&#8217;ll want to read [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by teaching carnival &#171; Bethany Nowviskie</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>teaching carnival &#171; Bethany Nowviskie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] learning management systems. (Who needs &#8216;em, anyway? say Matt Gold and Jim Groom, in an ongoing conversation, covered by TeachCarn [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Fear, Ease, and LMS &#124; the month of June</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Fear, Ease, and LMS &#124; the month of June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] approach to teaching/learning that so many of us in composition discarded long ago. As Matthew K. Gold puts it, &#8220;The problem with Learning Management Systems lies in the conjunction of three words [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Jon Mott</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Mott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I&#039;m in complete agreement with you too! (Thanks for dropping the note of solidarity in response to my &lt;a&gt;&quot;Post-LMS Manifesto.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;) Jim Groom has been a great source of inspiration for me in all of this too. I like your summary and restatement of the essential issue here--we have get out of the business of managing students and instead refocus on the business of helping learners grow and succeed. 

I think, as others have already commented, the challenge now is to come up with the &quot;eduglue&quot; that can help average, mortal (non-Jim Groom) teachers create their own loosely-coupled learning suites. Maybe that moves us dangerously back in the direction of out-of-the-box, one-size-fits-all learning &quot;systems,&quot; but we have to find a way to strike the right balance between the wide-open world of the the interwebs and monolithic, enterprise tools. WPMU is a great example of how to do that. What other ways can we bridge the gap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I&#8217;m in complete agreement with you too! (Thanks for dropping the note of solidarity in response to my <a>&#8220;Post-LMS Manifesto.&#8221;</a>) Jim Groom has been a great source of inspiration for me in all of this too. I like your summary and restatement of the essential issue here&#8211;we have get out of the business of managing students and instead refocus on the business of helping learners grow and succeed. </p>
<p>I think, as others have already commented, the challenge now is to come up with the &#8220;eduglue&#8221; that can help average, mortal (non-Jim Groom) teachers create their own loosely-coupled learning suites. Maybe that moves us dangerously back in the direction of out-of-the-box, one-size-fits-all learning &#8220;systems,&#8221; but we have to find a way to strike the right balance between the wide-open world of the the interwebs and monolithic, enterprise tools. WPMU is a great example of how to do that. What other ways can we bridge the gap?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Academitron&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can Blackboard patent online learning?</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Academitron&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can Blackboard patent online learning?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] intrigued by some fairly heated bloggy arguments that LMSs in general are just wrongheaded. (If you&#8217;re interested, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by academhack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Teaching Carnival</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>academhack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Teaching Carnival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mills Kelly opines about innovation in distance learning and more importantly about ways to foster that innovation. And, if you still need more convincing that Learning Management Systems (Blackboard etc.) are a bad idea check out Matt Gold&#8217;s, Against Learning Management Systems. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mills Kelly opines about innovation in distance learning and more importantly about ways to foster that innovation. And, if you still need more convincing that Learning Management Systems (Blackboard etc.) are a bad idea check out Matt Gold&#8217;s, Against Learning Management Systems. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And, no, there doesn’t need to be a “system” that “captures” learning. That’s my point. Set learning free!&lt;/i&gt;

I think we agree; I&#039;m just not being clear. 

What I&#039;m saying is, in a digital world, there is necessarily something that captures/stores the learning that happens. It doesn&#039;t -- and I would agree with you, it *shouldn&#039;t* -- be a formal LMS such as BB. 

But whether you use a blog or Drupal or whatever, it is impossible to replicate the &quot;ether-ness&quot; of a classroom discussion online. Our online discussions have to persist in some sort of database (unless you&#039;re maybe talking about using a chat system, but even then, if I was in that class, I&#039;d be storing all the chats for later reference.)

Re: the lesson plans, don&#039;t profs have a syllabus? Don&#039;t they plan each lecture? That in itself seems like a management process. 

That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying -- I&#039;m trying to make a very general point, and probably I&#039;m doing a poor job of being clear about it. But using Drupal for a class seems to me like a system for managing learning. A very flexible one, but it&#039;s still something that &quot;captures&quot; learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And, no, there doesn’t need to be a “system” that “captures” learning. That’s my point. Set learning free!</i></p>
<p>I think we agree; I&#8217;m just not being clear. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is, in a digital world, there is necessarily something that captures/stores the learning that happens. It doesn&#8217;t &#8212; and I would agree with you, it *shouldn&#8217;t* &#8212; be a formal LMS such as BB. </p>
<p>But whether you use a blog or Drupal or whatever, it is impossible to replicate the &#8220;ether-ness&#8221; of a classroom discussion online. Our online discussions have to persist in some sort of database (unless you&#8217;re maybe talking about using a chat system, but even then, if I was in that class, I&#8217;d be storing all the chats for later reference.)</p>
<p>Re: the lesson plans, don&#8217;t profs have a syllabus? Don&#8217;t they plan each lecture? That in itself seems like a management process. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying &#8212; I&#8217;m trying to make a very general point, and probably I&#8217;m doing a poor job of being clear about it. But using Drupal for a class seems to me like a system for managing learning. A very flexible one, but it&#8217;s still something that &#8220;captures&#8221; learning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against Learning Management Systems by Maura</title>
		<link>http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/03/30/against-learning-management-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Maura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I meant to comment last night but didn&#039;t have a chance so now this is very much a &quot;me too!&quot; comment, but...)

If we got rid of the expensive, proprietary, closed-source LMS, wouldn&#039;t we have enough to hire a Jim Groom clone at each campus? Maybe even two clones, one to support a WPMU model (or the like) and one to support an open-source LMS for those who prefer that option.

At least until the invention of eduglu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I meant to comment last night but didn&#8217;t have a chance so now this is very much a &#8220;me too!&#8221; comment, but&#8230;)</p>
<p>If we got rid of the expensive, proprietary, closed-source LMS, wouldn&#8217;t we have enough to hire a Jim Groom clone at each campus? Maybe even two clones, one to support a WPMU model (or the like) and one to support an open-source LMS for those who prefer that option.</p>
<p>At least until the invention of eduglu.</p>
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