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	<title>Comments on: MLA 2008 Recap: Part 1 &#8211; The Rise of the Digital MLA</title>
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		<title>By: Amanda L. French, Ph.D. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Digital MLA 2008: An epistolary meta-narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda L. French, Ph.D. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Digital MLA 2008: An epistolary meta-narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Before we even arrived, then, the conference had begun. [link] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Digital Humanities Sessions at MLA 2008 &#171; Digital Scholarship in the Humanities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digital Humanities Sessions at MLA 2008 &#171; Digital Scholarship in the Humanities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sketchy notes about the MLA sessions I was able to attend; see great blog posts by Cathy Davidson, Matt Gold, Laura Mandell, Alex Reid, and John Jones for more reflections on MLA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cathy Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Matt and everyone--Thanks for the nice shout-outs.  I really like your post (of course!) and also this thread of comments.  What I find most fascinating is how little we--a profession of readers and writers who prize critical thinking and historical perspective--have taken our place in this astonishing age of new forms of reading and writing TO HEART.   By that I mean, digital humanities, new media, twitter, blogging, all that are fabulous . . . and then there is a &#039;but.&#039;  The &#039;but&#039; is that they are fabulous add-ons UNLESS our profession sees them not as distinct-in-themselves but as profoundly challenging of the deepest assumptions of our profession.  I am not saying we have to abandon those assumptions but something is seriously wrong if we are not taking this moment of crisis (yet another;  please, please no more depressing pie charts on how few of us have tenure track jobs!) as an opportunity to really think carefully about the students we are teaching, the learning we are doing, the scholarship we are publishing, and our place in the world around us.  The recent &quot;Humanities Indicators&quot; report by the American Academic of Arts and Sciences suggests we have a &quot;polarized&quot; adult literacy--US ranking near the top percentage among industrialized nations of &quot;highly literate&quot; and also near the top for &quot;illiterate&quot;--about 21% at either extreme.  The same report showed that, despite all the handwringing over poorly trained science and math teachers, history teachers are the least qualified secondary school teachers. (http://www.hastac.org/node/1880)  Humanists unite!  All we have to give up is our marginalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Matt and everyone&#8211;Thanks for the nice shout-outs.  I really like your post (of course!) and also this thread of comments.  What I find most fascinating is how little we&#8211;a profession of readers and writers who prize critical thinking and historical perspective&#8211;have taken our place in this astonishing age of new forms of reading and writing TO HEART.   By that I mean, digital humanities, new media, twitter, blogging, all that are fabulous . . . and then there is a &#8216;but.&#8217;  The &#8216;but&#8217; is that they are fabulous add-ons UNLESS our profession sees them not as distinct-in-themselves but as profoundly challenging of the deepest assumptions of our profession.  I am not saying we have to abandon those assumptions but something is seriously wrong if we are not taking this moment of crisis (yet another;  please, please no more depressing pie charts on how few of us have tenure track jobs!) as an opportunity to really think carefully about the students we are teaching, the learning we are doing, the scholarship we are publishing, and our place in the world around us.  The recent &#8220;Humanities Indicators&#8221; report by the American Academic of Arts and Sciences suggests we have a &#8220;polarized&#8221; adult literacy&#8211;US ranking near the top percentage among industrialized nations of &#8220;highly literate&#8221; and also near the top for &#8220;illiterate&#8221;&#8211;about 21% at either extreme.  The same report showed that, despite all the handwringing over poorly trained science and math teachers, history teachers are the least qualified secondary school teachers. (<a href="http://www.hastac.org/node/1880" rel="nofollow">http://www.hastac.org/node/1880</a>)  Humanists unite!  All we have to give up is our marginalization.</p>
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		<title>By: MLA Conference Goes Digital &#171; Books and Keyboards</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLA Conference Goes Digital &#171; Books and Keyboards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See Matthew Gold&#8217;s blog post about the effect of Twitter and panels on Digital Humanities: http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/01/03/mla-2008-recap-part-1-the-rise-of-the-digital-mla/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See Matthew Gold&#8217;s blog post about the effect of Twitter and panels on Digital Humanities: http://mkgold.net/blog/2009/01/03/mla-2008-recap-part-1-the-rise-of-the-digital-mla/ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;MLA’s lack of real New Media panels 

MLA is definitely more &quot;digital humanities&quot; than &quot;new media&quot; but to the extent the latter is lacking it&#039;s largely because people aren&#039;t submitting the special session proposals or otherwise leveraging the conference structure. I ran a session on virtual worlds for the Media and Literature discussion group, for example. It was well attended. Discussion groups and allied organizations give you almost complete freedom to shape panels around any topic you like.

I&#039;m not so sure I agree with Lev&#039;s assessment that DH is ten years behind industry. I think that&#039;s an apples and oranges comparison. The contexts are entirely different. A bunch of us went to Google Books a couple of years back and they were genuinely impressed with some of the text analysis work this community has produced. It&#039;s not that they don&#039;t have smart people capable (in theory) of doing the same things there of course, they just didn&#039;t anticipate the audience for (say) TAPoR.</description>
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<p>MLA is definitely more &#8220;digital humanities&#8221; than &#8220;new media&#8221; but to the extent the latter is lacking it&#8217;s largely because people aren&#8217;t submitting the special session proposals or otherwise leveraging the conference structure. I ran a session on virtual worlds for the Media and Literature discussion group, for example. It was well attended. Discussion groups and allied organizations give you almost complete freedom to shape panels around any topic you like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure I agree with Lev&#8217;s assessment that DH is ten years behind industry. I think that&#8217;s an apples and oranges comparison. The contexts are entirely different. A bunch of us went to Google Books a couple of years back and they were genuinely impressed with some of the text analysis work this community has produced. It&#8217;s not that they don&#8217;t have smart people capable (in theory) of doing the same things there of course, they just didn&#8217;t anticipate the audience for (say) TAPoR.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, great post.  After attending the MLA too much, this one was the most exciting in terms of making connections and catching up with other Digital Humanists.  But, I have to disagree that if the MLA has taken up the cause then twittering and the like have &quot;jumped the shark.&quot;  MLA hasn&#039;t even remotely caught up to the bleeding edge and will most likely not.  Many of the textual critics have crossed over to the digital but still retain that very traditional position as textuists.  Others have become technologists while still others are pushing that bleeding edge -- some of whom recently achieved tenure.  

Unfortunately, this tenure bid has to come into the discussions about digital-ness.  The institution judges us and if we want to keep going, we must please them in some way.  I attended the last hour of the Workshop on Evaluating Digital Work for Tenure Review.  My dossier was one of the test cases.  Now, in my pedagogy, I&#039;m must more digital than in my research.  I run an &quot;archive&quot; that&#039;s more textual studies than digital humanities.  In other words, I&#039;m still assessing the cool new tools rather than embarking on discussions about using social networking in my classroom.  (After all, pedagogy scholarship does not get one hired for a research position.)  The discussions, though very helpful, really focused on how to evaluate the scholarship using old standards.  In other words, it was the start of a conversation and not necessarily the resolution.  Some of the admins in the workshop were perplexed about how to evaluate if there were no departmental standards.  Departments are loath to construct these standards for fear of boxing in candidates or worse leaving some out.  

I ran into Lev Manovich at one of the Digital Poster Sessions.  And, without knowing who he was, we struck up a conversation about the MLA&#039;s lack of real New Media panels -- this is where the MLA has not yet broached its full digital potential.  We discussed the deep mark-up that Laura Mandell is committing to some of our poems in the Poetess Archive.  In his booming, Russian accent, Lev offered some help (tentatively) to automate some of this work -- or at the very least, automate marking up the images.  He also made very clear that as Digital Humanists we are 10 years behind the technology industry.  

So, all of this is to say that there is much, much more to mine in the MLA.  Their recognition of digital-ness means that they are taking notice of its institutionalization, e.g., Brett Bobley&#039;s magnificent initiatives and the DH office.  Perhaps this means that we will gain further resources and REALLY begin to collaborate on projects in the way that the Humanities is going to have to embrace (or suffer some awful death).  

I&#039;m astounded at how many people from my alma mater (The Graduate Center) are on this bleeding edge, and I&#039;m excited to be dragged into it.  Now, if only I had the resources to drag my &quot;hypertextual archive&quot; into this era -- yes, it&#039;s still in frames and hand-coded HTML; someone save me from this fate.  I&#039;d like to scrap it for a better architecture but still retain the contextual relationships among the textual objects. (Then, can I have 2 courses releases every semester to effect it?)

BTW, can we come up with a better phrase/word than &quot;scholarly edition&quot; or &quot;archive?&quot;  Ken Price mentioned that he&#039;s written an article about this for DHQ but it&#039;s not yet out.  Our critical language still has to catch up as well!    

So, Matt rock on.  I&#039;m looking forward to seeing more of your work.  You might also solicit publication of your panel&#039;s papers for the new journal, Journal of E-Media Studies, run by Mark Williams (Darthmouth).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, great post.  After attending the MLA too much, this one was the most exciting in terms of making connections and catching up with other Digital Humanists.  But, I have to disagree that if the MLA has taken up the cause then twittering and the like have &#8220;jumped the shark.&#8221;  MLA hasn&#8217;t even remotely caught up to the bleeding edge and will most likely not.  Many of the textual critics have crossed over to the digital but still retain that very traditional position as textuists.  Others have become technologists while still others are pushing that bleeding edge &#8212; some of whom recently achieved tenure.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this tenure bid has to come into the discussions about digital-ness.  The institution judges us and if we want to keep going, we must please them in some way.  I attended the last hour of the Workshop on Evaluating Digital Work for Tenure Review.  My dossier was one of the test cases.  Now, in my pedagogy, I&#8217;m must more digital than in my research.  I run an &#8220;archive&#8221; that&#8217;s more textual studies than digital humanities.  In other words, I&#8217;m still assessing the cool new tools rather than embarking on discussions about using social networking in my classroom.  (After all, pedagogy scholarship does not get one hired for a research position.)  The discussions, though very helpful, really focused on how to evaluate the scholarship using old standards.  In other words, it was the start of a conversation and not necessarily the resolution.  Some of the admins in the workshop were perplexed about how to evaluate if there were no departmental standards.  Departments are loath to construct these standards for fear of boxing in candidates or worse leaving some out.  </p>
<p>I ran into Lev Manovich at one of the Digital Poster Sessions.  And, without knowing who he was, we struck up a conversation about the MLA&#8217;s lack of real New Media panels &#8212; this is where the MLA has not yet broached its full digital potential.  We discussed the deep mark-up that Laura Mandell is committing to some of our poems in the Poetess Archive.  In his booming, Russian accent, Lev offered some help (tentatively) to automate some of this work &#8212; or at the very least, automate marking up the images.  He also made very clear that as Digital Humanists we are 10 years behind the technology industry.  </p>
<p>So, all of this is to say that there is much, much more to mine in the MLA.  Their recognition of digital-ness means that they are taking notice of its institutionalization, e.g., Brett Bobley&#8217;s magnificent initiatives and the DH office.  Perhaps this means that we will gain further resources and REALLY begin to collaborate on projects in the way that the Humanities is going to have to embrace (or suffer some awful death).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m astounded at how many people from my alma mater (The Graduate Center) are on this bleeding edge, and I&#8217;m excited to be dragged into it.  Now, if only I had the resources to drag my &#8220;hypertextual archive&#8221; into this era &#8212; yes, it&#8217;s still in frames and hand-coded HTML; someone save me from this fate.  I&#8217;d like to scrap it for a better architecture but still retain the contextual relationships among the textual objects. (Then, can I have 2 courses releases every semester to effect it?)</p>
<p>BTW, can we come up with a better phrase/word than &#8220;scholarly edition&#8221; or &#8220;archive?&#8221;  Ken Price mentioned that he&#8217;s written an article about this for DHQ but it&#8217;s not yet out.  Our critical language still has to catch up as well!    </p>
<p>So, Matt rock on.  I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing more of your work.  You might also solicit publication of your panel&#8217;s papers for the new journal, Journal of E-Media Studies, run by Mark Williams (Darthmouth).</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.
I&#039;m sorry I missed you at MLA! But also somewhat bewildered that I also missed all this twitter activity around it.  I&#039;m an active blogger and twitterer, and generally count myself among the digitally-savvy, but the whole MLA twitter scene totally passed me by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry I missed you at MLA! But also somewhat bewildered that I also missed all this twitter activity around it.  I&#8217;m an active blogger and twitterer, and generally count myself among the digitally-savvy, but the whole MLA twitter scene totally passed me by.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gardner:  Agreed, and the identity discussion is probably material for another post further down the line.  What I really meant to highlight here was encapsulated in the final lines of your previous comment:  the tide seems to be turning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gardner:  Agreed, and the identity discussion is probably material for another post further down the line.  What I really meant to highlight here was encapsulated in the final lines of your previous comment:  the tide seems to be turning.</p>
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		<title>By: Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Thanks for the kind words, and I agree with both of your points in reply. Actually, what I was trying to argue was yet another point, probably closer to your second response. But these are all ideas well worth considering. I do hope that identity politics don&#039;t overrun new media studies. It looks to me like many disciplines are now moving away from ideas of identity solidarity and towards core, common questions about how we can best answer our shared humanity and the challenges we face and forge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Thanks for the kind words, and I agree with both of your points in reply. Actually, what I was trying to argue was yet another point, probably closer to your second response. But these are all ideas well worth considering. I do hope that identity politics don&#8217;t overrun new media studies. It looks to me like many disciplines are now moving away from ideas of identity solidarity and towards core, common questions about how we can best answer our shared humanity and the challenges we face and forge.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt:  Thanks so much for the visit, the comment, and the ACH link.  I love the connection you drew to the early days of blogging.  At this conference, it was cool that Twitter seemed to gain credence as the conference went along; the buzz around it, in other words, seemed to happen during (because of?) the conference itself.

As you point out, there is a rich history of work in this field -- people, including you, who were doing the digital humanities before it was the Digital Humanities.  One of the questions we now face -- and it&#039;s a question that was raised in a panel on Technology and Composition that I&#039;ll blog about soon -- is whether, in the newfound drive to harness the power of new media, traditional fields wind up bastardizing/cannibalizing new media.  We shall see, but again, more about that soon.

@Gardner Thanks for visiting and commenting.  I appreciate being called on the identity politics/new media analogy, one that is problematic in all sorts of ways.  Indeed, I think that criticism can be extended much further:  the path that a white male working in new media walks towards &quot;legitimacy&quot; is much different than, say, the path of an af-am scholar working on black nationalism -- especially in the era before af-am studies was considered a legitimate discipline.  

And yet, a kernel of similarity does exist, at least in the way that important work by rigorous scholars has been dismissed too easily by established scholars.  And that&#039;s all the more reason why the work that you and Matt K. have been doing is so important to those of us just entering the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt:  Thanks so much for the visit, the comment, and the ACH link.  I love the connection you drew to the early days of blogging.  At this conference, it was cool that Twitter seemed to gain credence as the conference went along; the buzz around it, in other words, seemed to happen during (because of?) the conference itself.</p>
<p>As you point out, there is a rich history of work in this field &#8212; people, including you, who were doing the digital humanities before it was the Digital Humanities.  One of the questions we now face &#8212; and it&#8217;s a question that was raised in a panel on Technology and Composition that I&#8217;ll blog about soon &#8212; is whether, in the newfound drive to harness the power of new media, traditional fields wind up bastardizing/cannibalizing new media.  We shall see, but again, more about that soon.</p>
<p>@Gardner Thanks for visiting and commenting.  I appreciate being called on the identity politics/new media analogy, one that is problematic in all sorts of ways.  Indeed, I think that criticism can be extended much further:  the path that a white male working in new media walks towards &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; is much different than, say, the path of an af-am scholar working on black nationalism &#8212; especially in the era before af-am studies was considered a legitimate discipline.  </p>
<p>And yet, a kernel of similarity does exist, at least in the way that important work by rigorous scholars has been dismissed too easily by established scholars.  And that&#8217;s all the more reason why the work that you and Matt K. have been doing is so important to those of us just entering the field.</p>
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